michaeljspraggon wrote:
Maybe some fields of research could benefit from a larger collection of observations. It certainly can't hurt to put it to the researchers. Are you in a position to help with any aspect of such a program?

That reminds me, I came up with an innovation for a grapnel design a while back and sent it to New Tribe. I haven't heard from them yet... still the market for tree climbing grapnels isn't a huge one so I'm not too bothered!

Michael

If it does not risk your invention, maybe post a drawing here sometime.

As for helping with the research exploring, I'd be more than happy to help out, but I don't think they would think I'm on their "wavelength" - LOL.

I can't help but comment on the fact that you start a thread about people overusing the groves - when you yourself promote them any chance you get. Wikipedia for instance has many entries that obviously were influenced by yourself. Your in every picture - and you _link_ to your website(alot) and your name is mentioned many times for entries under specific Titans names. Your website that has google ads and _link_s to your business.

In a way you could say that in your excitement you too have also overused the groves. If you were truely that concered it seems that you wouldn't post your _link_ everywhere the words trees or redwoods are mentioned online. And what about your map and the password and all the hype on your site? You mention it's ranked high in google. That's because you spend alot of time building a site about the groves. Pictures of the groves are not rare - your just the only one distributing them.

You challenge the discovery of Atlas Grove, yet you are aware of the Grove of Titans location, and that it's obviously been known about for a long long time. But you make no challenge to that ones recent 'discovery'. I find that confusing - logger marks or not.

In a way I can't blame you - it's easy to get really excited about the trees and forget that maybe pooling so much information online and _link_ing to it everywhere you can about them may be fun and promote your business, but might not be in the trees best interest. That's all I have to say about the issue, not here to argue etc. But I hope you truely do lay off the 'I found the groves' posts everywhere.

looselipsinkships wrote:
I can't help but comment on the fact that you start a thread about people overusing the groves - when you yourself promote them

I work on residential trees, and do no climbing in old redwoods - zero impact in the redwood canopy; the topic here.

The reason my photos are online at other sites, is because other editors site owners email to use a few. There are several websites using my photos. Even of southern Oregon - not just redwoods

The primary reason for the webpage at my end, is to provide decent photos to fill the gap for photos - just like I've done with other areas, say the Bigfoot trap.

It appears from your "can't help" statement, that it may be you who is getting excited. Your excitement promted you to ask about Grove of Titans, for which an answer would require identifying Atlas Grove - literally pin-pointing it. I'd be a step shy of just sticking a map online to try and fit the whim of your question.

Here is one of several recent finds. The Strat.

Wish I had dragged my spotting scope out for this one. Fairly early morning shot here - hence the darkness.

After first posting this topic, I wrote a separate page article about potential impact to redwoods by researchers. The full page can be read at:

http://www.mdvaden.com/redwood_climbing.shtml

At the very end, a few thoughts about recreational climbers is tossed into the arena of ideas.