anybody know if the grigri that comes with the grillon lanyard is modified or any different than the plain ol' grigri that can be ordered seperately?

If I get a grigri I'd like to be able to use it for all its purposes, belay, descend, lanyard, etc...

thanks,
coonrad

You can probably find the best answer here:

http://storrick.cnchost.com/VerticalDevicesPage/VerticalHome.shtml

Guys, I'm still getting used to this message board, but here it is. There is an important difference between the two. The Grillon is a Gri Gri like device with the lanyard installed. The main difference in the hardware is a screw, installed near the pivot pin through the cover. It's impossible to get the lanyard out without first removing the screw. Also, the cover is stamped 'Grillon'. The lanyard has a working end which comes out through the top, closer to the hole for the biner, and the free end which comes out near the _base_ of the handle, and it needs to be threaded correctly