As a facilitator taking clients into the trees, I only set them up with a Triple-Action Carabiner, AND I am the only one that gets to put it on or off the climber.

The Triple-Action seems to confuse more newbies and that is a good thing. I don't want them to touch it for fear that they may unlock it.

My 2 cents

Geof

I set my kids and adults up with delta screw _link_s. I put the rope directly into the screw_link_. It keeps the Blake's hitch lower for short arms of kids. My fingers hurt a bit from screwing them on and off however at the end of a 30 plus climber day (facilitated climbs). I use New Tribe saddles so the delta is already there.

I often wonder why the screw locking carabiner is frowned upon by tree climbers (rec and cutters), yet the screw _link_ is accepted by most.

I would prefer my newtribe harness not have a screw_link_...and that is just how the next one will be made!

Peter, I keep a gerber multitool with some quick access pliers on my saddle at all times. I bet they would see a lot of use on a day like you are explaining!

love
nick

nickfromwi wrote:
I often wonder why the screw locking carabiner is frowned upon by tree climbers (rec and cutters), yet the screw _link_ is accepted by most.

A screw _link_ has a finer thread, is threaded on both "ends" of the _link_, and takes many more turns to engage and disengage. Even if the screw/nut is turned enough to disengage from the end of the _link_, the rope or biner securing the climber still can't squeeze through, there is no gate to open wide. The _link_ is strong enough to hold the climber's weight even if the _link_ is disengaged. My experience from using them is that they not likely to unscrew far enough from tree or rope contact to allow the climber to come out of it.

nickfromwi wrote:
I would prefer my newtribe harness not have a screw _link_...and that is just how the next one will be made!

What would you replace it with?
-moss

PS: Weird how the underline dash keeps showing up like so: screw _link_

My intention is to replace it with the right rigging plate, or simply with a steel ring.

love
nick

I've done a lot of deliberating about where to use a rated (24Kn) screwgate, aluminum carabiner, in a climbing system. I've used it combination with both Weaver and New Tribe endless loop slings, in basket configuration, to redirect my primary climbing rope. Of course, it proved to be adequate to safeguard against a swing into the tree trunk, when I tested, low and slow. Also, I "gate check" after installing the sling and screwgate in the tree to be certain that all components are configured correctly, including that the screwgate is "extra hand-snugged" and the carabiner truly locked. Question #1: Is the redirect gear system I described above "below standards"? Question #2: Would a screwgate carabiner be suitable to build up the false crotch, as pictured on p. 63 of "The Tree Climbert's Companion, by J. Jepson, 2nd Ed., instead of the double-locking carabiner, pictured and documented there? Question #3: Has there been a study of, probably non-_meta_llic, add-on components that would serve to make a strength-rated screwgate carabiner vibration-proof and reasonably un-thread-proof?