It is interesting that this subject and starter action has occured many times since I became a recreational treeclimber. The most recent for me was at a cook-out at the Dillard House around the year 2000. Many p_layer_s,some listed in the current group, were there and things were going to happen! I'm not one to, "Rain on someones parade" but I hear someone calling,"Wolf,Wolf"!! I'm still waiting for the book on tree climbing that got lost since 2005. Thanks Dr.Rod for asking those questions --- answers will be forthcoming soon?: