oldtimer wrote:

I do not use them that much because I do not like the tie radius that the rope makes while entering and exiting the rings in the saver. Also i notice that sometimes the pulley jams into the ring at one weir angle that creates more friction than I like to deal with. Arborists use something similar a (Rope Guide) that appears to do a better job.

I ended up buying the 3/4" Dan House sleeve and now want to buy either a leather sleeve or a false crotch. I am unaware or anything else. What is a "Rope guide?"

Davej wrote:
I ended up buying the 3/4" Dan House sleeve and now want to buy either a leather sleeve or a false crotch. I am unaware or anything else. What is a "Rope guide?"

Good choice, the sleeves (either leather or conduit) are the easiest to install and take out and are the most versatile for a variety of climbing conditions.

The ART Rope Guide (you can find it in the Sherrill online catalog) is a very high end (expensive) way to create an adjustable false crotch, you don't need to put it in a crotch to hang your rope, it can be cinched around a vertical spar with no side branches. Some climbers make their own simple rope guide-like devices. It's more of an arborist tool than a rec climbers tool. Not so simple to install or take out from the ground, there are pitfalls. Like any gear, you need a reason to use it.
-moss

What is a "Rope guide?" By DaveJ

You can see a picture here.
http://gear.sherrilltree.com/iwwidb.pvx?;multi_item_submit

Yes, It looks complicated to use and install that is why most Rec Climbers do not use one. Not to mention the fact that it costs: a Bundle!

Even better look in this board "Gear Reviews Area" and there is a review by Master Nick as well as other reviews of other "Friction Saver Gear" from several regular contributors. That is a great place to see what other users think about a particular gear piece before you buy it! Free Advice: Priceless! for everything else there is Master Card for sure.

Try this page, it gives a good overview including the ART Rope Guide (the Sherrill web site doesn't allow _link_s to internal content):
Friction Savers

-moss

How to install your pulley-friction saver from the ground
1. Throw a throw line over the limb that you want to be your tie-in point.
2. Put one end of your climbing line through the pulley.
3. Attach both ends of the climbing line to one end of your throw line.
4. Put the other end of the throw line through the ring of the friction
saver and pull your climbing line over the branch/limb.
5. *If the tree is small enough (or your climbing line long enough), attach
the little harp on the end of your friction saver to the working end of
your climbing line right below the ring of the friction saver. This way
you don’t have to climb all the way up to your tie-in point if you don’t
have to.
6. Pull the whole contraption (climbing line and pulley) through the ring
and…
Work light and safe J,Wolter Kok ( This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ).

There was a diagram attached to this pdf file but I do not know how to copy it into this post so you have to figure it out by yourself or better with assistance from someone that owns a Rope guide and uses it regualrly even better!

oldtimer wrote:

6. Pull the whole contraption (climbing line and pulley) through the ring
and…




Well, uh, for less money than this thingie costs you could just have a 2nd rope with a pulley on the end.